Daniel Kobryner: From Business Leader to Spiritual Life Coach

Welcome once again to the guy who knows The Guy podcast.

I'm your host, Michael Whitehouse, the guy who knows the guy, and this is the Pot

Appalooza series, and I am interviewing in our, this episode, Daniel Rener, and

I'm very excited for this one because one of the great things about pot

Appalooza is that sometimes they just say, Hey, here's who you're interviewing.

This is his name.

Have fun.

So I do know that Daniel is a life coach and talks about spirituality

and such topics, which are definitely topics of interest to

me, but I don't know a lot else.

So we are going to meet Daniel together, audience, you and me.

So Daniel, tell me a little bit about yourself.

Well, first of all, Michael, thank you very much for having me on your show.

It's really an honor for me.

And, uh, so I'm French.

I live in London, and, uh.

So I was active for 35 Euros in international sales and, uh, management.

I lived in different countries.

In Germany.

In Belgium, the UK I run companies.

And um, you know, during the pandemic we were in lockdown here

in London, everything was closed.

And uh, I had the opportunity to listen to people talking online

about personal development.

Mm-hmm.

Life coaches, business coaches, healers.

Astrologist, and a lot of this was very new to me.

That, and first of all, I, I realized that, you know, when I listened to

coaches talking, I realized that I had coached people all my life mm-hmm.

Without putting a label on that, you see, I, I always wanted people

to get the best out of themselves.

I always wanted to empower people, you know, to, to, to

motivate, to uplift and Okay.

And right.

So, and then, so.

I then decided is I, I said, okay, actually, this is really what I

want to do for the rest of my life.

You know, now I'm going to concentrate on just coaching people, helping people.

And again, it's something which is above myself.

It's not like for money on, I do it because I really enjoy this and

I think I'm, I'm, I'm here on this planet to do that in a way, you know,

it's like, but this is now my new part, Michael, is that during these

sessions I met some people who were.

Which I would call little spiritual.

Mm-hmm.

I was brought up in a very, I mean, non-religious environment,

very down to earth, et so I didn't have a lot, you know, I mean, I.

I was not used to a lot of things.

And when people started talking about the universe, about, you know, the,

uh, the law of attraction about the quantum field, about the, uh, karma and,

uh, all energy healing, this was new, but actually it kind of talked to me.

Mm-hmm.

And then I, I starting kind of embracing, wanting to do more and really.

There's a new part of me which opened up.

Yeah, I, yeah, I, I love that, that story about discovering, you

know, coming across it as you go.

I wanted to be a coach for a long time.

I just didn't know where or how whatever.

Sort of tripped over me.

I tripped over it and stumbled into it.

But, but yeah, a lot of that stuff, you know, that spiritual stuff,

that woo stuff, I, I'd heard about it, but, eh, a lot of attraction.

Yeah.

What is that?

And then, as I described to someone, I met way too many millionaires to not believe

in what they believe in, you know, people who had, who had gotten concrete results.

Uh, and then.

When I started putting it into practice my own life, I started seeing it working.

I'm like, Hey, there's something to this.

It's not, yeah, it, it's not necessarily visible, like, you know, like the rain,

but you know, you can't see the wind either, but you can see the effect it has.

And the more I got into it, the more I'm like, no, this, this is really a thing.

There's, there's something going on here.

So.

I, I love that story about, you know, as you encounter more and more people talking

about it, I think that's also when you get away from the people who are abusing it.

You know, take my $15,000 manifestation course and I will

magically attract everything to your, you know, when it's people who

are just honestly in conversation.

Yeah, I do this thing, it works really well for me.

Um, here's how I do it.

You can do it too.

That's when you start to discover like what's really

all, what it's really all about.

Absolutely.

Even you see, even before that manifestation, I didn't even know that.

I remember the first time I listened to people talking about this.

I said, what's this?

Mm-hmm.

But you see now in a way, you know, in this journey, and again, it's,

you know, it's what I learned the most, uh, Michael, is to become

a, again, who I, who I truly are.

Truly am, you know, it's being really my, okay.

I had been quite a lot authentic, but you see, I, I put it to a another level, in

a way, started realizing that, you know what others think it's their problem.

It's not mine.

I mean, it's really not being, you know, judging myself through the eyes

of others, not trying to get validation, you know, just realizing that.

All the power we have in ourselves, you know?

Yeah.

And it's just a matter of sometimes through our childhood, particularly

the first seven years, you know, where we've got so-called childhood

experiences, trauma, emotions, basically we learn everything.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, a lot of, you know, the, our programming is done during this first

seven years of our lives, and it comes.

Nearly automatically because the brain of a child works

at that, the theta brainwave.

So basically we take everything, you know, it's getting it printed in our

brain and we take it without filter.

So this is our truth.

So for instance, you know, when we, if we see, imagine our parents arguing, right?

Okay, well this is how it is.

We learn how to react and afterwards we are going to look for partners

who have the same patterns.

Is it good for.

We do it because it's safe.

So you see, I learned a lot of things about the brain and how

it works and, and, and how we are conditioned by our childhood.

But as well that everything ev change is possible at any time in life.

Mm-hmm.

This is, this was my biggest teaching.

So how did you get into,

did get into coaching because you don't just say, I'm gonna be a

coach and start coaching people.

Did you, did you take a course?

Did you find a mentor?

Yes.

No, no, exactly.

First I started listening to, you know, to people first, first thing

I did is I got myself a coach.

Okay.

Right.

Of course.

Because it's a, for a lot of months I, I still work with

coaches and mentors, you know?

Mm-hmm.

It's a, it's, it's a, and by doing this, I realized, you

know, some of my blind spots.

Obviously a bright spot.

By the definition, you don't see it.

Yep.

You don't see it yourself.

So again, I, I made a lot of work on myself.

I was in a group of different people and all of us evolved tremendously.

So it was like, wow, that's the best investment I've done because

of first when you do it, you think, Hmm, spend money for myself.

Why, you know, and then, but you realize that actually what you are

getting, it's, it's new transformation.

So this was the first thing, and afterwards, what I did as well

is I thought, yeah, you know, I, I need to have some, you know, I

really want to have some good basis.

So I decided to take a certification with Mindvalley.

Okay.

No.

So I become, you know, it was, uh, I think four months and I became

a certified Mindvalley life coach.

Okay.

Then how did you turn that into a, a practice?

How did you start finding clients and,

okay.

I mean, first, I mean, first, and I have to say, I'm still at the start

of my business, Michael, right?

Mm-hmm.

It's not, you know, so, so first I, uh, I, I started finding,

you know, pro bono mm-hmm.

Clients.

Because obviously you need them as well for, you know, you need to have a certain

number of hours for the certification.

Yeah.

And, and afterwards this was like, you know, some of them turned

into paid clients and aft very often it's word of mouth as well.

Mm-hmm.

You know, people and, uh, but now I'm really in the process of, of, of.

Expanding this business.

I, I only launched my website I think a month ago.

Okay.

And, you know, where, where I've got my programs and, uh, I built, uh,

you know, a sales funnel as well.

So, mm-hmm.

I'm, I'm getting into, uh, this technicalities and one thing I

did, which is what's very new to me, is becoming more visible.

Yeah,

because you know, I, I have to say before I was not on social

media, you know, Facebook, I was never, you know, never interested.

I mean, in kind of showing myself or even looking at other people's

stories, it's not me, you know?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, it is like, right, this who I am, but now when somebody said to

me, you see Daniel, you've got to.

I mean, it's important to be visible and it's not about, you know, you,

but it's really about your message.

Yeah.

That, you know, if you talk to people and you, and, uh, people might resonate

with you and then, you know, might want to, to, to, to work with you.

So, and you see in Instagram, uh, they said, okay, Instagram is the best.

So I thought, okay, but I still want to do something which brings value.

So my first reels, they were about.

Each of them was about a particular subject.

For instance, the first one I remember, it was like, life is a decision.

Life.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, sorry.

Happiness is a decision.

Yep.

Happiness is coming from within.

Or why should we embrace emotional intelligence?

Why should we embrace feedback?

Why?

You see, uh, every time I try to find something where.

Basically when people listen to it, they can learn something, you know?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, learn, uh, if they come or not, it doesn't matter.

It's really, it's about helping people and it's why I decided as well to, to become

a podcast host, which is very recent.

Yeah.

And to go into motivational speaking because I really, I like to do that.

I like to uplift people.

That's great.

Yeah.

And, and podcasts are, are a really great way, especially for someone

who's new in business to learn.

So this is.

I dunno what episode, this will be 230 or something, but my episodes, I

think around 60 to 110 were, that whole season was interviewing people who were

successful in business when I was not yet.

And just basically saying, how'd you do it?

And just having a whole parade of people tell me.

And now if I'd call these people up and be like, Hey, can I

pick your brain for 40 minutes?

They'd be like, oh no.

Or sure gimme a thousand dollars.

But because I invite them on a podcast as a guest, they tell me everything

because it's, you know, it's for exposure.

So I got basically free coaching calls with these seven figure business

owners, um, one after another, after another, after another for free, for

the low, low price of having a podcast.

And the really cool thing is when you invite someone to be on your

podcast, most people say yes.

If you don't over, if you don't overcomplicate, if you're like, Hey,

you wanna be on a podcast, cool.

Here's the link to book everything you need on that link.

Just fill that out and we'll talk then.

And you'll be amazed.

We'll say yes when you're like, Hey, you wanna get on the podcast?

Sure.

I mean, you know, Tony Robbins won't, Gary V won't.

But other than that, any, any coach you meet in any sort of

event, they'll be like, yeah, sure.

I'll get on your podcast.

Why not?

Absolutely.

And actually, you know, I I, I literally started last week, you know, but I had

already four interviews and uh Yep.

One is already published and, and I had somebody coming to me, he is a

coach, and he says, oh, can, can, and of, of course I describe, you know,

myself quickly, but he says, yeah, I'd love to come on, on your podcast.

And I had a short interview.

It was great.

Mm-hmm.

So I, I resonate.

Thank you so much, Michael, because it's, it gives me a lot of encouragement.

You see.

Me, it's as well about, it's about having a great conversation.

Yeah.

It's about, it's not like, uh, I mean, I wouldn't do it just to get something.

It's just really to, to see and, and to, it's really for our listeners as well.

What, what can they get?

How can they be inspired?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

And that's, um, Phil Pcha describes a podcast as a good podcast is like you're

sitting at the end of a table where two people are having a conversation.

Just listing another conversation.

And that's, that's what people want to hear.

And then, you know, they wanna learn something, they wanna

get something from it, but it doesn't have to be anything fancy.

You know, these days, zoom, I, when I first started, I used, um, there, there

was software that would record locally and then upload that recording because it

would deal with the, the zoom glitches.

But now Zoom is so reliable and the noise cancellation is so good

that you can just do it on Zoom.

It's super easy.

The post-production is super simple.

And, um, and it's just, it's such a, and I think actually even the volume balancing

Zoom gets that pretty good now too.

Um, but I, I set my settings a long time ago that are, it saves two separate

audio files so I can balance it.

I think, I think I said it that way, but um, but yeah, it was amazing just

how easy it is to do and it's such a great networking tool because if you

reach out to someone and say, Hey, I'd like to get on a call and, you know,

see how we could work together, eh, I know I don't wanna get to know you call.

Hey, I'd love to have you come on my podcast.

Sure.

Same conversation.

You have the same conversation, a podcast interview or a networking call, except

they'll give you an hour for the podcast, um, of which 35 minutes is the interview,

and 25 minutes is the networking call, and they would barely give you

30 minutes for the networking call.

So yeah, podcast is such a great asset for someone who's getting started.

So it's really smart you're doing that.

And that's, um, absolutely,

and you see really, you meet amazing people.

I mean, afterwards, it's.

You know, I mean, today, I mean, I had somebody very spirituality

person who, who, she's a coach, but she, I, it was not even, not, uh,

Paula as something else, but mm-hmm.

And it was, you know, talking me about, you know, spirits and

all souls and, and, and psychic experiences and you think, wow.

You know, so again, I'm, I'm learning a lot, you know,

this is, this is fascinating.

And, and you know, Michael, I dunno if you resonate with this one, but

if we, if we speak now together.

It's not a coincidence.

Mm-hmm.

You know, everything happens for a reason.

This is my, my new me talking, you know?

Uh,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

There there's, there's a poem called Desert that, uh, the key part, I

can't remember if it's the beginning or not, but that the universe is

unfolding precisely the way it should, um, that everything happens.

So I actually, and, and so something I used to do, and you're welcome to

steal this idea, is I had a podcast that I called the Power Launch Live Show.

I use Streamy Yard.

Um, although Streamy Yard's prices have shut up.

So you might use Restream now.

And I would bring on four guests at a time.

So I had a, uh, Google, uh, Google form and people would fill out, you know, name,

email, address, bio, what they wanna talk about, and what Friday they're available.

'cause it's always the same, same time of the week.

Okay.

Um, and then I would just grab the first four people who said

they were available on a day, and that's who goes on that show.

And I did that for.

About 65 weeks.

Um, and I would say that the show was produced by serendipity in a random

happenstance because I made no effort to put the right people on the show

together because the universe could do a better guest lineup than I could.

And what I found was I'd get on these, I would find similarities

between the different guests.

So we do it for an hour and then I give each one like a three minute spot to talk

about their topic, and then we just kind of open up the conversation to whatever.

And people would every time be like, wow, why?

How'd you put us together?

How'd you know we needed to be on the same show?

And I was like, I didn't even know who was gonna be on this show.

I showed up.

I mean, I, I, I was the one who sent out the emails and whatnot,

but I didn't really pay attention.

Um, I cut and paste a bunch of things into the emails and said,

Hey, you're gonna be on this date.

I showed up, I saw who was in my room.

I interviewed them and my producers, the universe.

The divine power, whatever it is, it's absolutely the universe.

Yeah.

Like the white people on that show.

And it was, and, and it's, it's funny because I stopped doing it when the

universe basically said we're done.

Because for a while I was booking out six weeks.

Everyone wanted to be on it constantly.

And then one day, like a light switch, they stopped signing up.

And I'm like, guess we're done.

You know, you listen to, listen to that intuition, listen to that, uh.

That universe we're done.

But it, it was such a great opportunity.

I, I think I had 140 people on that show over the course of

the, the time that I did it.

And I made so many connections.

I made, you know, found joint venture partners, I found

people whose book on my summits.

I found, you know, all kinds of people.

I was able to get on there and it was, it was, um, such a,

and it was so easy to do too.

'cause I'd go into a networking room and I'd say, Hey, I have this thing

called the Power Launch Live show.

If you wanna come on it, fill out this form.

I had to drop the form in the chat.

And seven people would sign up for various times.

I wasn't chasing people down.

I wasn't saying, Hey, what date are you gonna be there?

Somebody?

No-show.

The no-show.

They're, they're not meant to be there.

So I didn't even worry about follow up with people who didn't show up.

I was like, eh, whatever.

Guess we got three people this week.

So it was, it was a, you know, great experience and great way to meet a lot

of people and learn from a lot of people.

And I never knew what we were gonna be talking about on that show.

We had so many different things from fairies and, uh, you know, other

universes to I. Financial and tax strategies to, to marketing, to, you

know, health stuff, to everything.

It was, it was a fascinating experience,

but it's, and you know, I resonate so much.

Thank you for sharing.

I mean, it's such a wonderful experience, uh, Michael, and you see

really now this, this is my vocabulary.

Um, every day universe has my back.

You know, things happen and sometimes I know what I'd like to do.

But the how, how it happens now.

You know, before I would've, it, it would've been control.

I would've chased, I would've done all the things, you know, I was an overthinker.

I was a perfectionist.

Now finished.

Know what?

Yeah, okay, I'm going there.

I'm taking the first step.

I trust the process and I trust the universe, and you know

what things are happening.

You are talking about serendipities, again, a term I didn't know

before, and now not only I'm using it, but I'm using it as well.

Synchronicities, Uhhuh, so many things happening.

I'm thinking of something and then, oh, somebody talks about

this, and then I read an article.

It's like, okay, you see my secret?

Now it's practicing gratitude.

I'm grateful and I say, you know, the number of the times a

day, I say, thank you, you know?

Thank you universe.

Thank you.

Mm-hmm.

I'm just smiling and this is it.

Things are happening and even, you know what, what you said for you, you

know, when you said it stopped to give time, it's a universe telling you,

Michael, no, I've got something better.

Yeah.

You know, for you, you know, whatever it is, you know?

Mm-hmm.

It could be different things.

It's like right.

Let's go to the next step, you see?

Yeah.

It's really how do we look at things?

Mm-hmm.

And when we look at every, every event in our life and instead of

thinking, oh, it's a challenge.

Difficult, I can't do this.

Okay.

If you ask yourself, why is it, why is it happening in my movie?

Oh, okay.

Mm-hmm.

This is to teach me something.

This person is there to teach me something.

Yep.

Right.

We embrace this.

And really we, we go with this mindset very often we see that, oh wow, yeah.

This is the door for something else.

Yeah.

Just having the trust that everything's happening for our good.

Mm-hmm.

And when we really follow our path, miracle Simple.

So now just enjoying miracles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and the yeah.

And the gratitude thing is, is so powerful.

I, um, the.

There's a method that I was taught, which is that you write down, um, I think I did.

I don't remember if I did 10 or 20.

I did 10 or 20 things every day that you're grateful for,

but you can't repeat them.

So, day one's pretty easy.

I'm grateful for my home, and the streets are safe, and I'm healthy to day two,

you, you gotta go a little bit deeper.

Day three, you're like really digging in.

And by day four, you're, you're teasing it apart.

You're like, I am grateful for pepperoni pizza and mushroom pizza.

And like, just to, to really dive in to get those things.

Um, but once you get to that point, then you really start to, to develop the habit.

And so when my car got totaled the other day.

You know, someone clobbered my car.

My initial, you know, I, my trained response was, I'm grateful.

No one's hurt.

I'm grateful.

I'm in a financial position where this is not a disaster.

I'm grateful, um, that I. This happened in a place where

help was able to come quickly.

I'm grateful that I have a wife that I can call to pick me up.

And so I immediately went to all of the good things there.

Absolute.

Absolutely.

Um, instead of the like, oh, this ruins everything.

And, and it was also, it was somewhat clear to me what message

God was trying to send that paid me.

He'd been sending more subtly before he had to hit me with a car.

But, um, but it was, you know, what am I, what lesson am I meant to hear?

And then also, what are the good things?

So instead of that, like.

So I didn't get angry.

The other driver, um, although there's some dispute is who falls.

Um, but you know, I didn't get angry.

The other driver, I didn't get angry.

The situation is like, this is what is, let's deal with it, move forward.

Um, 'cause you know, getting angry is not productive in that situation.

Um, that exactly.

And,

and, and you see, when we get angry, the only person we penalize is ourselves.

Yeah.

And it dries our emotions down.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so.

I,

I think that, I think there's, there's times, one thing I am

finding is there's times when it's valuable to be righteously angry.

Um, and it's also okay, you know, something happens like when

technology doesn't work, I will sometimes yell at it very loudly.

And I used to be like, no, I shouldn't be angry.

I need to maintain po.

And what I realized was that this energy didn't, it just goes back in and stays.

Yeah.

So, you know, yelling at a computer sometimes is a nice cathartic release.

If the computer doesn't care, if I yell at it, doesn't bother it.

Maybe someone outside the window is like, what's he yelling at?

But, you know, it doesn't hurt anyone.

I'm not, you know, and it, it lets that out.

And there's definitely times where I find it, it can be useful to

when someone is doing something that needs to be forcefully

addressed, shall we say, um mm-hmm.

You know, criticizing things in the industry or whatnot.

There's, there's a, a use for that.

But in, in, you know, there's a car accident, there's no

use in getting angry at.

The cops or the other driver or the, like, there's nothing to get angry out there.

It is what it is.

We're dealing with it and, and, you know, to, to manage that energy

is a really, really key thing.

So.

Absolutely.

And see even, you know, and what you said, even, you know, when people

criticize you, for instance, uh mm-hmm.

My, one of the biggest tool I learned and really, which I apply

every day, is to apply the same, don't take things personally.

Yeah.

Don't things.

It, you know, comes from a book, you know, the four agreements?

Yep.

Perhaps you read it and, and you see first thing I thought, what's this?

You know?

Oh, somebody says something.

No, it's, it's got nothing to do with us.

Mm-hmm.

It's the person reflecting on you or the outside work for better.

You know, their own insecurities, their fears, their childhood

trauma, but it's not you.

It's not.

And when you realize that.

The fact is not going to change.

The person is still going to criticize, but what we make of that changes.

We said, it's your problem.

It's

not, it's a them problem, not a me problem.

Yeah.

I'm awesome.

If you don't like me, that's a you problem.

Exactly.

That you know, this is, and, and when we start, like not

reacting, people are very puzzled.

Yeah.

And then eventually they're going to change because they see that, you know, if

they try to trigger you, it's not working.

So.

So, but at least it's their thing.

Yeah.

Again, what we make of the world.

This is our choice.

This is really, yeah.

Uh,

powerful, I think.

Absolutely.

So it looks like we are coming to the end of our polooza spot

here in the pot auditorium.

Yes.

So if people want to connect with you, how can they do that?

Well, you know, there's my website now, which is www.

Dot com And, uh, I will, I I will leave you as well.

Uh, you know, the details of, um, of my, I've got Instagram, I've

got, uh, I'm available on LinkedIn.

Okay.

And now that in the

show notes.

Of course.

Yeah.

It, it, it'll be in the show notes.

Yes, exactly.

And thank you so much for your, your time.

It was such a, such a nice, easy flowing Yes.

Conversation, Michael, like, as you say, on the same table,

just having a chat.

This is, yeah.

Really what's nice, it's great to have you on here because, um, in, in

my mind, all coaching should have a French accent because the original,

uh, trainer who taught me the coaching concepts was French, so Oh,

okay.

Yeah,

yeah.

He was living in Canada.

He, he was not French Canadian.

He was a French person living in Canada, which is different from French Canadian.

So,

yeah, no, of course.

I, I've been, I've been to, to Quebec.

Uh, are you, are you from Canada, yourself?

No, no, from,

uh, Connecticut.

From Connecticut.

Yeah.

Yep.

But, uh, yeah, so, so I, I, um, and he had, he had quite a

bit heavier accent than you do.

So there there's, there's different words, like the way he said, words

like thoughts, um, which, which I had to be like, like, what is he saying?

Sos Oh, thoughts.

He's saying thoughts.

Um, but yeah, so, so I, I'm used to learning about coaching in a French

accent, so, uh, so it was nostalgic.

So it was great to, great to get to connect with you.

Yeah.

Well thank you very much and the pleasure.

It was great.

It was like my last interview today and it's beautiful.

Great.

Thank you so much.